Having spent my youth watching football in England, spending countless matches with one eye on the game, the other on the idiots looking for a fight, it came as no surprise to hear the same things being said after this week's troubles. One side doesn't want to admit that a thug is a thug, and should be dealt with. The other side doesn't want to admit that if you treat people like animals they will act like animals.
English football tarnished by second night of violence
Platini frets over violence in game
Home Office preparing dossier on Rome riot
Strict new laws have done little to change Italian culture of knives and hooliganism
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